XIX – ‘American Fiction’ and ‘You People’

For this episode, we opted to compare and contrast American Fiction and You People, two comedy-dramas where contemporary racial politics are the focal point. Yet, their perspective, style, tone, themes—and demonstrated level of filmmaking competence—could not be more radically different. We thoroughly analyze both films in our patented “deep casual” style, and we ask only that you forgive us for being (white) dudes. Let’s have a good time.

Show Notes:

Barry Jenkins made a crappy Lion King prequel because he wants kids to read William Shakespeare: 
https://apnews.com/article/mufasa-barry-jenkins-lion-king-interview-9c70f2933f428d78e12a3ad7eca077f5

James Gunn is the latest attempt to resuscitate the “DC Comics Cinematic Universe”: 
https://thedirect.com/article/james-gunn-dcu-chronological-order

The motte-and-bailey fallacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

“Dog Park” prank: 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html

JD Vance wrote a memoir:
https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062300546/hillbilly-elegy

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XVIII – Don Bluth

We take a deep dive into the films of animator and director Don Bluth, with special focus on The Land Before Time, An American Tail, All Dogs Go to Heaven, and Anastasia. 

For those of us who grew up watching these movies, they are remembered for their dark subject matter and themes antithetical to Disney. Now that we’re grown ups, we see stories that express the human condition from the perspective of a regular person, with protagonists who seek only to live normal lives as they battle against the forces that rule life in a world that is anything but perfect. 

Show Notes:

Laika Studios CEO on sequels:
https://screencrush.com/no-movie-sequels-for-laika/

The movie Chad mentioned but could not recall is “A Dog’s Purpose”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dog%27s_Purpose_(film)

Tolkien and the sun:
https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Sun

The penis helicopter from Rock-a-Doodle:
http://bluthanized.blogspot.com/2010/10/rock-doodle-1991.html

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XVII – ‘Furiosa’, the PopTart Movie, and Tangents

George Miller can’t make yet another great Mad Max movie, right? Wrong. He can and he did. And we hope he makes them forever.

As we catch up on movies we’ve seen, one of them was Unfrosted. There’s a deep analysis of Jerry Seinfeld’s directorial debut (and its Goo Monster), followed by some light praise of a movie that is memorably bad and worth seeing for its cringe. 

Plus, talk of Morgan Spurlock, South Park, Inside Out 2, the growing trend of film entitlement, and how our machine overlords are destroying our lives through our phones. 

Show Notes:

Normal Accidents website:
https://www.normalaccidents.com/

George Miller on Mad Max:
https://time.com/6975716/george-miller-furiosa-interview/

Mad Max? Who needs him?:
https://www.ign.com/videos/why-the-mad-max-movies-dont-need-mad-max-anymore 

Criticism of Super Size Me:
https://www.chron.com/life/hoffman/article/Ordering-up-some-food-for-thought-1627633.php

Interview with Jerry Seinfeld:
https://www.kevinhershner.com/video-podcasts 

Freddie deBoer on the incongruity of mental health discourse:
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/how-convenient-that-kanye-wests-behavior 

Obnoxious fan fiction on Inside Out:
https://screenrant.com/inside-out-2-trailer-riley-emotions-nonbinary-theory/

More obnoxious fan fiction about Inside Out:
https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/06/13/riley-inside-out-2-queer-disney-pixar/

Film Threat on the death of Star Wars:
https://filmthreat.libsyn.com/the-acolyte-episode-3-and-the-death-of-star-wars

George Lucas interview at Cannes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M12GmFYyA4g

George Lucas did donate his Star Wars sale money to charity:
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2012/10/george-lucas-star-wars-4-billion-disney-charity

Freddie deBoer on why art isn’t made for you:
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/not-everything-is-for-everyone

South Park: Joining the Panderverse:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt29474455/

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XVI – Conversation with Kevin Hershner, Director of ‘Normal Accidents’

We sat down with Chad’s old Virginia Tech classmate Kevin Hershner to discuss his film Normal Accidents. Kevin is a writer, director, and actor living in Los Angeles who is currently pitching the movie—his first feature—to festivals.

Normal Accidents is an auteur satire on “one man, one location” films with a lot of levity. But, it’s also a serious meditation on the intrusive nature of technology and how many of us long for escape and quiet, away from the digital record of our flawed lives, our mistakes, and our regrets. It poses the question, how can we heal our minds and be our best selves when we can’t escape our digital ghosts? 

We very much enjoyed it, and we think you will too. Check it out, a link is in the show notes.

The three of us also hung out for a while after the interview to discuss the state of Hollywood blockbusters, the overuse of special effects, and how social media is shaping movies and giving them a shelf life. Plus, you get to hear Kevin’s intriguing take on the underlying meta-themes of Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer. 

Show Notes:

Normal Accidents website:
https://www.normalaccidents.com

Normal Accidents on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/normalaccidentsmovie/ 

Kevin’s website:
https://www.kevinhershner.com/

Kevin’s podcasts:
https://www.kevinhershner.com/video-podcasts 

Kid Julius short film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqzWrYr0vi8 

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XV – You Used to Laugh with the People, Adam McKay

We love Adam McKay movies. Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby embraces the Americana of rednecks and NASCAR culture, innocently pitting our uncouth heroes against the French liberal elites. Step Brothers is two losers resisting the urge to seek status, content with having a good time. And Anchorman? One can argue it’s a treatise on the fallibility of news, exposing the information guardians for the dopes they are. 

Then, in his magnum opus, Adam gave us with The Big Short, an anarchist, populist masterpiece that unites all people based on class, offering empathy to those who struggle to survive in an economy ruled by elites, where “regulators” and “experts” obfuscate truth for profits. 

We graduated from college during the 2008 financial crisis, and that film educated and empowered us to think critically and speak truth to power. Adam used to be one of the people. His offensive language, love for the poors, and mission to entertain everyone regardless of politics spoke to a simpler time. It’s why his classics are beloved. 

Then he made Don’t Look Up. And it pressured audiences to implicitly trust the experts and embrace righteous politics, lest they become regular ol’ citizen “bad person” whose inaction dooms humanity.

What happened? We want to know. 

Show Notes:

Episode of South Park mentioned on the show:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1539447

That urban legend that went viral online:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/faggot 

The Steve Carell character in The Big Short is based on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Eisman

Rednecks aren’t to blame for emissions, 90 corporations are:
https://www.science.org/content/article/just-90-companies-are-blame-most-climate-change-carbon-accountant-says 

The FDA is funded by the companies it regulates:
https://www.fda.gov/industry/fda-user-fee-programs/fda-user-fees-explained

Cochrane study on masking efficacy: 
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full

South Park apologize for climate change denial:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_Get_Cereal 

Democrats slowly losing minority vote:
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/10/22425178/catalist-report-2020-election-biden-trump-demographics

“What do you have to lose?”:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/what-we-all-had-to-lose-with-trump-1047008

Don’t Look Up and the Covid-19 pandemic:
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2021/12/if-you-think-dont-look-up-is-just-an-allegory-about-climate-change-youre-missing-something/

Todd Phillips on woke comedy: 
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/10/joaquin-phoenix-cover-story

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XIV – Barbenheimer

The boys celebrate the podcast’s 10th anniversary by digging into the whole “Barbenheimer” thing. 

Show Notes:

Mission Impossible 7 bombs because theatres are dead again:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/mission-impossible-7-ends-its-domestic-run-by-hitting-another-disappointing-low/ar-AA1hdwR7

Censorship on Apple TV and Criterion Channel:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2023/06/06/apple-tv-and-the-criterion-channel-outrage-film-fans-by-censoring-classic-movie/ 

The “Despecialized Edition” of Star Wars:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-V2-7-MKV-Released/id/12713

Krystal Ball on Barbie’s late-stage capitalist bullshit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCQdVQUXgSQ

Ben Shapiro takes Barbie way, way, way too seriously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynU-wVdesr0

Well, fuck. It looks like the Mattel Cinematic Universe is a thing:
https://people.com/polly-pocket-movie-everything-to-know-7565134 

Shoe0nHead has a balanced take on Barbie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CsTzVyZP4M

Shoe0nHead talks male loneliness epidemic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQv8VuLpKN4

Greta Gerwig is re-booting Narnia?:
https://news.yahoo.com/chronicles-of-narnia-release-date-netflix-cast-greta-gerwig-081617220.html 

There was no CGI in Oppenheimer at all:
https://collider.com/oppenheimer-no-cgi-christopher-nolan-explained/

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XIII – Darren Aronofsky: Capriciously Comparing ‘The Whale’ and ‘The Wrestler’

Darren Aronofsky’s The Whale and The Wrestler are very different films, but both center on a broken person, unable to achieve their former high, estranged from family and facing a new, less satisfying reality. Yet, one of these films sucks while the other is a cinematic masterpiece. 

Brad and Chad take a hard look at The Whale and dissect how prior knowledge of The Wrestler makes its themes, style, and premise hard to digest. 

Show Notes:

Fatphobia and The Whale:
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/the-whale-review-darren-aronofsky-brendan-fraser/ 

Daily Beast takes the “Pizza Binge” scene way too seriously:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/the-whale-brendan-frasers-shocking-binge-eating-scene 

The scene where the Gremlins eat chicken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs1RPclm5MY 

Wrestlers love The Wrestler:
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99825912

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XII – There Should be More Beat-the-Clock Movies about the Asteroid that Killed the Dinosaurs

Everything Everywhere All at Once swept the Oscars, but Hollywood seems incapable of talking about the movie on its merits. After discussing the struggle between art and identity politics, Brad and Chad both fail to remember the plot to Operation Fortune: Ruse de Guerre, despite seeing it multiple times. Then, CinTan praises the shit out of the dumb-but-fresh movie called 65, longing for the days when blockbusters took risks.

Show Notes:

Chris Pine laments how Hollywood is dominated by Marvel Cinematic Universe profit incentives:
https://www.ign.com/articles/chris-pine-vents-star-trek-frustrations-feels-like-its-cursed

Quentin Tarantino is/was making a Star Trek movie:
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-quentin-tarantino/

Chris Gore on the death of the American movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO5KLe1QE5Q

Everything Everywhere All at Once sweeps the Oscars:
https://www.onthebulletin.com/film-television/2023-oscars-reaction-eeaao-sweeps-yeoh-makes-history-academy-award

Freddie DeBoer asks: “Are You Sure You Want to Say That White People Are the Lone Agents in Human Affairs, the Main Characters, the Sole Movers of History?”:
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/are-you-sure-you-want-to-say-that

Operation Fortune is cool, but it may not stick around:
https://www.looper.com/1219017/why-guy-ritchies-operation-fortune-ruse-de-guerre-bombed-at-the-box-office/ 

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/ and https://pixabay.com/music/upbeat-rock-it-21275/ 

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XI – It’s About a Bear that Does a Lot of Cocaine

Cocaine Bear is based on the true tale of a bear who ate cocaine and died. The movie adaptation is about a CGI blob that mauls people to death – with some admittedly cool traditional effects. After sobering up, Brad and Chad go deep on M. Night Shyamalan’s Knock at the Cabin, revealing the (possible) class message at the heart of a crazy movie about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse accosting a gay couple and their daughter. Major props is given to Dave Bautista for his truly excellent performance. 

Show Notes:

Correction: Chad referred to “Knock at the Cabin” as “Cabin the Woods” by accident, because of a debate Brad and he had 11 years ago.

Check out the defunct This Week’s Movie (please excuse the poor writing). 

Correction 2: Chad says Knock at the Cabin is based on a short story, but it’s actually a novel

The real bear should have paid attention in D.A.R.E:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/01/arts/cocaine-bear-true-story.htm

Brian Wells did die – and it is a really sad, crazy story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Wells 

Considering the death of theatres – Cocaine Bear performed well:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2503901953/ 

Cocaine Shark will be about a shark that does cocaine:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cocaine-shark-movie-trailer_n_640afca2e4b006d19e274dc3

Stephanie Zacharek’s Knock at the Cabin review:
https://time.com/6251987/knock-at-the-cabin-review/ 

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/

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X – Oscars So Blue

From The Fabelmans to Avatar: The Way of Water, Hollywood feels increasingly out of touch, both in its ability to capture what it means to be a person – and to re-capture what it meant to watch a Blockbuster in the theatre. Opining on their growing dislike of movies, the boys analyze similar trends in comic books and video games that leave us feeling empty, in a constant state of consumption, waiting for the next unnecessary sequel or piece of content. 

Show Notes:

It was apparently the “wokest” Superbowl ever:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2023/02/12/super-bowl-57-blackest-woke-sorry-haters/11245293002/

The transparently performative, superficial diversity and inclusion standards at the Oscars:
https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representation-and-inclusion-standards-oscarsr-eligibility/ 

George Santos embodies the times:
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-george-santos-claims-that-have-now-been-debunked-1770172 

M3ghan 2 was always coming:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/18/m3gan-director-gerard-johnstone-on-sequels-shooting-in-new-zealand/

James Cameron altering future Avatars based on audience feedback:
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/avatar-3-loak-replaces-jake-sully-narrator-james-cameron-1235492365/ 

Not everything is made for you:
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/not-everything-is-for-everyone

Link to Film Threat, since we cite Chris Gore all the time:
https://filmthreat.com/

Link to Sacred Symbols, since we reference Colin Moriarty’s video game coverage all the time:
https://laststandmedia.com/ 

Intro Music: https://pixabay.com/music/indie-pop-fun-punk-opener-14343/

Other Music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-105/

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